Modernity Sucks

I'm sure you're not Hans, Hans is in guest mode watching every bit of this haha, so my guess is, start doing music phil because he will keep a room for you !
Again just speculation

Hans Zimmer could slap you in the face with his dick and you would claim it's just speculation that it even happened because Hans Zimmer didn't post it on a forum somewhere on the internet

Has it ever occurred to you have silly it is that you have a composer willing to put himself in legal troubles listing on his website that he composed that theme, and yet you believe a forum post from Hans Zimmer on V.I.C as being more credible.


Hans Zimmer would not put the force awakens on his website underneath his credits, because Hans Zimmer would have his pants sued off of him by John Williams

Same with the claims from the orchestrators for the final game...


taking credit for Hans Zimmer's work would be financial suicide, as well as career suicide.

Kyle Judkins wrote: ↑Wed 16 May 2018 22:40 Hans Zimmer could slap you in the face with his dick and you would claim it's just speculation that it even happened because Hans Zimmer didn't post it on a forum somewhere on the internet

hahahaha

phil_l wrote: ↑Wed 16 May 2018 21:47 When Kyle says look at how natural the notes flow in Lorne’s hands ... speculation again

Yes, concluding that Lorne is the composer of Discombobulate is speculation, but based on a logical thinking and many elements (not only body language or the way he played piano) :

phil_l wrote: ↑Wed 16 May 2018 21:47
Speculating Hans didn’t write final game by himself

This is no more speculation when you present evidence :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yofeBx_D6lE

In the same way : stating that Hans wrote bullshit and overestimate himself is not speculation but FACTS.

phil, no joke - the Hillary campaign could use someone as dodgy as you next election.

and unlike hans, Hillary is a politician... which interestingly enough is WAY more profitable than being even the biggest names in film music :)

so stop shilling for HZ and start shilling for HC

I think the arguments have been fleshed out, at this point if you ignore them - you're either willfully ignorant, or a terminally loyal fan.

Kyle Judkins wrote: ↑Thu 17 May 2018 00:29 I think the arguments have been fleshed out, at this point if you ignore them - you're either willfully ignorant, or a terminally loyal fan.

Dogma is stronger than facts.

(the title of my next and last video related to this drama)

Yeah but unlike you,I'm going to give facts,not speculation on how Lorne holds his hair with his left hand because he might feel uncomfortable telling he produced score with Hans Zimmer.


https://www.ascap.com/repertory#ace/sea ... e/sherlock


If you scroll down you'll see "sherlock holmes theme" credited to
HZ
LB
Robert Badami . a new guy. not so new because he works with Hans Zimmer since the 90s.


So yes finally a fact telling Lorne Balfe participated in Sherlock Holmes theme.But as co-producer which's equal to do many things including co-composing , it is quite logical.


Also discombobulate soundtrack cue is only credited to Hans Zimmer ..

Ascap directory is really great. You'll find plenty of other things in it.

Sometimes HZ puts orchestrators and sound designers on the cue sheet, so it can be misleading.

I give more value to the video : how Lorne behaved and showcased a disguised version of Discombobulate on his website.

It can be a mistake but that's also a fact :

Kyle Judkins wrote: ↑Thu 17 May 2018 00:29 phil, no joke - the Hillary campaign could use someone as dodgy as you next election.

and unlike hans, Hillary is a politician... which interestingly enough is WAY more profitable than being even the biggest names in film music :)

so stop shilling for HZ and start shilling for HC

I think the arguments have been fleshed out, at this point if you ignore them - you're either willfully ignorant, or a terminally loyal fan.

Kyle, as I told you in the lengthy conversation we had over PM: try to leave politics out of this, as this topic has nothing to do with it. If you don't, this discussion will inevitably loose its focus, as I (and probably many other members here) do not follow your political agenda, which seems to focus on "crooked Hillary", which I cannot interpret differently than "at least partly pro Trump". If you want to have that discussion, fine! Have it in some political section (which does not exist here, yet)! I do not wanna have it with you, maybe others will. But please respect to leave these kind of escapades out of a film music discussion.

"he doesn't like murderers, he must like rapists"
donates 280$ to Bernie Sanders (D) (Opposed Clinton)
donates 120$ to Tim Canova (D) (Opposed D.W.Shultz)
donates 80$ to Jill Stein (G) (Opposed Trump and Hillary)


meanwhile you ironically exhibited the same exact phenomenon responsible all of this, so yes - you can deal with the reference. If it triggered you that badly that someone points out one of the most indisputably corrupt people on American politics as needing people willing to lie through their teeth for her - I'll use a partisan example. Phil is acting like Sarah Sanders.

God forbid I desecrate the politically homogenous safe space that is composer forums. I'm the meantime, if you're going to ignore how corrupt she is despite overwhelming evidence thrown at you - then please don't complain about how people are willing to defend HZ without overwhelming evidence thrown at them.

This culturally retarded political practice of being willfully ignorant when it comes to people on "your side" and being hyper critical of the other - is precisely what occurred on ViC users. If that parallel bothers you - that's fine, but it doesn't change the accuracy of it. Ofcourse unlike you, I don't consider that to be a partisan issue. It's not about politics- it's about culture.

I know it might sound like news to you, but the culture is exactly what brought you the mindless cult of "fake news" who would defend Trump even if he murdered someone on live TV. If that parallel bothers you, it should probably bother you more that you're obviously more than willing to ignore reality because of the letter next to someone's name.

And yes, I'm not willing to discuss politics with you bevause you just project and then accuse me of projecting. Ironically I bash a career politician and your first instinct is to project views on Trump I don't have. The two people who responded were not derailed, just you.


and if you're willing to go out of your way to defend someone who got a guy off for raping a 12 year old girl and laughed about it, some self reflection is probably required. I didn't attack left wing ideals, or any political ideals, not a party - just one particular person.

Kyle Judkins wrote: ↑Thu 17 May 2018 14:36 "he doesn't like murderers, he must like rapists"
donates 280$ to Bernie Sanders (D) (Opposed Clinton)
donates 120$ to Tim Canova (D) (Opposed D.W.Shultz)
donates 80$ to Jill Stein (G) (Opposed Trump and Hillary)


meanwhile you ironically exhibited the same exact phenomenon responsible all of this, so yes - you can deal with the reference. If it triggered you that badly that someone points out one of the most indisputably corrupt people on American politics as needing people willing to lie through their teeth for her - I'll use a partisan example. Phil is acting like Sarah Sanders.

God forbid I desecrate the politically homogenous safe space that is composer forums. I'm the meantime, if you're going to ignore how corrupt she is despite overwhelming evidence thrown at you - then please don't complain about how people are willing to defend HZ without overwhelming evidence thrown at them.

This culturally retarded political practice of being willfully ignorant when it comes to people on "your side" and being hyper critical of the other - is precisely what occurred on ViC users. If that parallel bothers you - that's fine, but it doesn't change the accuracy of it. Ofcourse unlike you, I don't consider that to be a partisan issue. It's not about politics- it's about culture.

I know it might sound like news to you, but the culture is exactly what brought you the mindless cult of "fake news" who would defend Trump even if he murdered someone on live TV. If that parallel bothers you, it should probably bother you more that you're obviously more than willing to ignore reality because of the letter next to someone's name.

And yes, I'm not willing to discuss politics with you bevause you just project and then accuse me of projecting. Ironically I bash a career politician and your first instinct is to project views on Trump I don't have. The two people who responded were not derailed, just you.


and if you're willing to go out of your way to defend someone who got a guy off for raping a 12 year old girl and laughed about it, some self reflection is probably required. I didn't attack left wing ideals, or any political ideals, not a party - just one particular person.

Kyle, as I told you before: I did not say you like Trump! I said your sentences are sometimes unclear and the fact that you supposedly donated to left candidates seems confusing, if you mention left politics many times only as "Marxists" you seem to hate. That is why I told you your agenda is kind of confusing ... I am not defending Clinton - in fact, I preferred Sanders as well - but that is not the point here. The point is that you keep infusing some political stuff (which is often is a bit unclear and contradictory) into a running discussion. Never does that do the size of those topics justice and they should(can be discussed! BUT IN THEIR OWN THREADS!!! That is all I am saying.
So don't pretend I would victimize you! No, I didn't say you like rapists, neither did I say you like Trump. I only said, in sum all of those political rants make you look like a Trumpist! But again: All of this wouldn't matter, if you could just keep politics out of music related discussions! Thank you!

Kyle Judkins wrote: ↑Thu 17 May 2018 14:36 And yes, I'm not willing to discuss politics with you bevause you just project and then accuse me of projecting.

FriFlo wrote: ↑Thu 17 May 2018 13:01do not follow your political agenda, which seems to focus on "crooked Hillary", which I cannot interpret differently than "at least partly pro Trump".

FriFlo wrote: ↑Thu 17 May 2018 18:36 Kyle, as I told you before: I did not say you like Trump!

Kyle Judkins wrote: ↑Thu 17 May 2018 14:36 And yes, I'm not willing to discuss politics with you bevause you just project and then accuse me of projecting.

FriFlo wrote: ↑Thu 17 May 2018 18:36 Kyle, as I told you before: I did not say you like Trump! I said your sentences are sometimes unclear and the fact that you supposedly donated to left candidates seems confusing, if you mention left politics many times only as "Marxists" you seem to hate. That is why I told you your agenda is kind of confusing ... I am not defending Clinton - in fact, I preferred Sanders as well - but that is not the point here. The point is that you keep infusing some political stuff (which is often is a bit unclear and contradictory) into a running discussion. Never does that do the size of those topics justice and they should(can be discussed! BUT IN THEIR OWN THREADS!!! That is all I am saying.
So don't pretend I would victimize you! No, I didn't say you like rapists, neither did I say you like Trump. I only said, in sum all of those political rants make you look like a Trumpist! But again: All of this wouldn't matter, if you could just keep politics out of music related discussions! Thank you!

The problem is, you can't strop projecting for .2 seconds - so the only confusion is that I don't seem to fit the silloutte of the person you keep trying to project onto me. Never in the history of the internet have I ever said I liked trump,voted for trump, or even could I be considered conservative by any conservative. The issue is that you're so short sighted and absolutist about everything, that the moment someone disagrees with you - you've already decided they are the opposite of everything you are. It's in your language(which unlike you, I don't get confused from).

FriFlo wrote: ↑Thu 17 May 2018 18:36 if you mention left politics many times only as "Marxists" you seem to hate.

Your focus is on left politics, which I said was infested with marxism. Marxism is a dangerous, idiotic, and fatally stupid ideology - and it's infection has left no room for the classic liberal, and certainly not for an egalitarian. what I DIDNT say, is that I hate marxists. I assume they are dumb, naive, passionate, misquided. I never assume they are actually bad people, just people with bad ideas. You yourself admittedly buy into the marxist rhetoric - and you would I presume identify as left wing, so Clearly, I'm not wrong to make the observation that marxism has infested the left. In the conversations we've had - have we ever discussed topics like immigration, abortion, gay marriage, trans military/bathroom rights? Did you ever think that if I were actually a centrist - and nuanced rather than brainwashed into mindless team sports politics - that I would only appear not-left-wing because you've decided to focus purely on the disagreements I have with the modern left? These are all things you could actually digest from reading what I type, not what you Imagine I type. Even my short sentence about shilling for HRC - sent you off on a tangent based on things I never actually said. Maybe you should ask yourself if YOU'RE not the one who shouldn't be discussing politics. If you want to argue the merits of marx, lenin, hegel, chomsky, whatever - Thats fine, but to make claims about me hating marxists, and being a "trumpist" because I mentioned a single politician - thats just not my problem dude, and this forum isn't guarded by the typical left wing fascists to enforce the safe space where only the generic virtue signaling hollywood liberal can discuss politics - so I'm not sure a political subforum is something most people would actually want to participate in, because you might encounter people who *gasp* disagree. Bernie was pro-2nd amendment for the vast majority of his career, and only discussed assault bans a few times - and that was pressure from democrats. I'm sure by your logic - even that self proclaimed socialist is *probably* a trumpist by your narrow logic.

FriFlo wrote: ↑Thu 17 May 2018 18:36 just keep politics out of music related discussions! Thank you!

If I were you I'd stick to music discussion, you can't seem to keep your head straight the moment someone mentions anything related to politics. The other two people responded without getting derailed, it was just you - and as I've pointed out, you can't keep a clear head. I don't think sam, or most people here have any interest in censorship. Instead of trying to tell me what to do, why dont you decide what you do - and I'll stick to me. I'm one of those far-right extremists who believes in freedom of speech, even for people I disagree with :)

We are already few here...what will happen to our wonderful community if you kill each other ? lul

I didn't even pay attention to the fact that Kyle mentioned H. Clinton (but I understood the analogy he wanted to make), certainly because I don't care about politics and as a french, the personalities mentioned don't really find resonance with me (I think the politicians are all more or less pathetic).

Anyway, If you want to continue this exchange, please use the duel room and fight with honour and grace :

http://www.modernity-sucks.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5

Headshot wrote: ↑Fri 18 May 2018 01:18 We are already few here...what will happen to our wonderful community if you kill each other ? lul

I thought this was the highlander

#therecanbeonlyone

don't worry, I dont have a problem with flo, he just barked at me so I barked back.

And yes, there are many a politician who fit the bill, I'm just not as familiar with French politicians to use as an example... So from what I understand there was a really shady guy in Spain?

It's the best analogy I can think off... most celebrities aren't protected from rumors, but politicians seem to be immune to even the most damning evidence among their voter base.

which I think that's why this is so interesting...

If a bad allegation comes out on a typical celebrity it can hurt their career almost instantly and near permenantly even if it's not true...

but it seems like creators and politicians work the opposite - where the fans are willing to deny all evidence to the grave.

I think Tarantino was involved in a similar scandal and nobody seemed to care... I forget which movie it was - but a young writer tried to get him to look at his idea or something and he turned it down... then went on to make a movie that copied it or something. I can't remember the details but that certainly didn't dent tarintinos reputation.

As I said: I DO NOT want to continue anything about politics with Kyle. That is why I mentioned my advice of not injecting that into these topics. And I will not answer his lengthy post, as he will reply with an even longer one and we can do that until doomsday.

FriFlo wrote: ↑Fri 18 May 2018 09:12 we can do that until doomsday.

romaaaaaanceee

arguing until ragnarok sounds like a reasonably marketable plot for a romantic comedy


I gave the tarintino reference, any non-politician reference example you can think of?